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He's now in South America with Jerry
Rubin. Any travel status in Chile?

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Nothing here, but find out. And locate
the operating outpost of Camelot down

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there. Check with Central Intelligence.

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Read me in on Camelot. Allende's
successor.

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Didn't know he was due for one so soon.

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The Pentagon thinks so. They're
upgrading the South American armies, to

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be sure.

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I was very taken by the idea of Allende,
and so I remember I suggested, Phil,

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let's go to Chile for two months.

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And Phil and I went.

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And, you know, Phil was a complex
person.

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He drank a lot. We got in a lot of
fights. We got more fights over the fact

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that he would drink than anything else
because it's boring for a non-drinker to

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go have supper with someone and have
them drink a bottle of wine before the

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meal begins and then to get very
aggressive and weird, you know. And Phil

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was amazing because he has this very
sensitive side of his personality that's

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almost feminine.

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And then in a second he'll turn into the
most incredible male chauvinist, angry

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person, and then he'll go right back to
being so sensitive and shy you want to

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just embrace him like a little child.

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The heaviest thing I ever did in my life
was organizing the Chile show. I was

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doing a lot of world traveling, and I
met Victor Jara, and I told him in

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public that on October 11th of this
year, Barricade Records' first release

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is Victor Jara.

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Victor was a folk hero, a folk singer in
Chile.

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Phil had met him on a trip to Chile that
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earlier.

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Tremendously admired his music, loved
his music.

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Victor was captured right after the
coup.

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was taken to the stadium and was very
severely tortured.

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And this really spurred Phil on to doing
something in honor of Victor.

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About a week before the event, we were
losing $18,000.

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Sales were terrible, and it was partly
because the advertising was very poor.

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We spent money on advertising, but there
was nothing very sexy. And even with

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Salvador Allende, they didn't invite a
lot of crowds.

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When the rumors started that Dylan was
probably going to show up, the garden

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saw that. Okay, okay, we can cut the
star-fucking-excitement now.

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We're here for a political purpose.

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We're here for a political purpose.

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We're not here to see Bob Dylan.

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We're here to see Salvador Allende.

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Salvador Allende was overthrown and
murdered in a military coup in Chile

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headed up by General Augusto Pinochet.

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Salvador Allende dared to unleash a
torrent of reforms in Chile, including

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the nationalization of several of the
American-run copper mines.

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Now he's slaughtered.

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Victor Jara, the most famous folk singer
in Chile, who was loved by all the

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people in Chile, was tortured to death
in the San Diego Stadium.

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Ten years ago, we had a semi-military
coup right here in the United States

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when JFK was killed by a right-wing
paramilitary squad.

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Well, the same people who were in charge
then are still in charge now.

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I guess they're just going to keep
killing everybody.

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surely had a big effect on Phil because
he really identified with Allende and I

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think that when the coup happened it
really motivated Phil and deepened his

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very wrong view that life doesn't work
because near his death Phil was an

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advocate of suicide I mean he advocated
suicide and I remember saying to him a

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number of times I said Phil do you want
generations of young people to remember

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you as Phil Oakes the great singer or
Phil Oakes the alcoholic who killed

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himself because life didn't work out for
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After the Chile concert, Phil was at a
loss for really what to do with his

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life. At this point, the war was dying.

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It was no longer a platform for him on
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He had done his Chilean benefit, and he
was no longer committed to his music. He

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had sort of given up on his music. He
wasn't writing. He felt he had lost his

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voice. And we all tried to find a place
for Phil, to find something that Phil

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felt that he could put all his energies
in, and he had a lot of energies.

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So I started working for Ramsey Clark,
setting up concerts around the state,

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and I got Phil to do most of them. Each
event, it was a little nerve-wracking.

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You were never quite sure if Phil was
going to make it to the concert and then

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if he would make it through the concert,
but he did, invariably. And most of the

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people that he was performing to were
kids in college who had not grown up

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listening to Phil. They were listening
to heavy rock.

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And the passion, which they had not
experienced in college, because we had

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all grown up with that in the 60s, but
it wasn't there in the 70s.

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I can see them coming. They're training
in the mountains and they speak Chinese

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and they spread disease. They want to
hurt me.

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They want to get me.

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They want to break me down.

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Oh, and sometime later when I feel a
little safer, I'll assassinate

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the president and take over the
government.

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we met was at Max's Kansas City and he
was drunk as a skunk there and we were

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bloated and everything and a bit burned
out I was about to take off I knew I was

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going underground very very few people
maybe four or five people in the whole

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country knew and I was headed to LA and
I knew he had an apartment there so I

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was going to ask him if I could use his
apartment for two weeks while I

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recovered from surgery

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So I tried to approach him sort of
delicately and I said, Phil, I'm going

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to go away.

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And I didn't say, I didn't come out and
say it. And he drifted off and I'd say

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something. As soon as he understood, he
threw the glass of beer on the floor and

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started jumping up and down on the
glass. And I didn't exactly think he was

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the best person to kind of have in an
underground network and everything. It

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was kind of a sad image I had of him as
I was the last.

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you know, image I had of him, I took off
a couple weeks later.

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always play with that idea of suicide.

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You can see it in the songs all the way
back to the beginning. There's constant

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mentions of suicide throughout.

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I know with the last conversations we
had, I think the biggest reason was the

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fact that Phil felt he no longer
belonged. That when Nixon resigned, that

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was like the last hate object. That was
the last cause.

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He lost sight of tomorrow.

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He was depressed today, and therefore
he'd be depressed tomorrow.

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His constant, repeated statement was, oh
my God, Denny, what am I going to do?

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I'm going to die.

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Hey, listen. Bobby says he doesn't want
you to come along on the Rolling Thunder

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tour. Stay home, Phil.

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As you know, this is my final
performance.

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Once I knew a sage who sang upon the
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He told about the world.

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I first met Phil in 1975.

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I had just came up from Georgia.

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He put on a couple of nights of concerts
down at Folk City. It was called his

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Farewell Performances, which he invited
me to sing at that. It was kind of like

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my debut in New York. And everyone tried
to keep him from drinking during his

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first set.

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And it went very well, actually.

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But by the second set, he had started
drinking, and it was pretty much a

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disaster. I think many people in the
audience were disappointed.

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He was having trouble remembering some
of the words to his songs, and he was

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doing a lot of songs that people didn't
want to hear him do. People wanted to

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hear Phil do Phil Oak's songs, and he
wasn't giving them that. He was

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promoting suicide.

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He was saying, I want to die. He was
telling us that.

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But when somebody wants to die, what can
you do for that person? He came in one

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day, and as far as I know, there was no
place in the village that could have

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served him. But if he felt that he
wanted to have a drink, he would come in

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and bang on it.

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On the bar and he says Mike they don't
want to give him nothing to drink. Give

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me a drink So as a rule, I never did
refuse him. So that's why many times I

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just give him a little watered-down
drinks not to make him get too high and

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I give him a drink then he wanted
another one then he thought I talked

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very loud and I said so say you're here
you You're supposed to be my but my

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buddy

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He says, oh, Mike, I'm sorry. He says,
but Donna, you're cheaper.

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Why you don't want to give him another
drink? He started getting very

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belligerent. So he sort of cursed me
out, and he grabbed him by my shirt, and

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he ripped a part of my shirt. I got a
little peeve, and I said, Phil, now I'm

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going to do the same thing as everybody
else did.

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You just stay out of here, and don't
feel that I'm afraid of you. So I

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grabbed him by his arm, and I pushed him
right out of the door.

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I said, don't come in here, because I
said, you...

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I've been treating you like a gentleman.
I said, but you do not like one now.

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So he got through the street here,
through the door, and he came back near

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the window. The window here was open.

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And he looked at me and he says,

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Mike Poco, he says, one of these days if
I catch you outside.

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So I look at him, what?

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So he says, he started smiling, he says,
I'll buy you a drink.

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So as he said that.

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I felt so emotional, and I said, the
guys are really, you know, some of it,

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you know, I can't do nothing. I keep
being mean to him on the day.

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And a few minutes later, come in and we
had a drink together again.

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I saw Phil probably in the early winter
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He seemed to be getting much worse,
appeared to be like a schizophrenia.

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something much more serious than just uh
drinking you know it was a much more

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deep deep rooted problem oaks was an
amateur he never made a good record well

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he was also smart to make bad records on
purpose so they have their excuse and

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they wouldn't kill him but see he knew
that if he shouldn't he couldn't become

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the beetle because if he ever became the
beetle then they would kill him because

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he'd be strong he could stop the war but
if the war is over so now the real phil

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oaks can emerge safely and his name is
train he uh claimed to that he

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was uh first he was luke train and i
think later on he became john train or

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vice versa i don't remember he claimed
the mafia was after him so train killed

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us and he did it painlessly split second
he was dead by phil oaks

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good riddance still around of course the
sale from train he walked around

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needing help and everybody saw it and
nobody could get him to go for it people

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tried there were a lot of people who
tried to help him jerry rubin went out

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of his way and he was terrific we went
to see him one time and he offered to

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take phil out to california to a friend
of his who was a psychiatrist to have

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him stay at the guy's house and let the
guy help him free and no charge

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Phil turned it down. And Jerry even
offered to go with him. He said, if you

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don't want to go along, I'll stop what
I'm doing in New York and I'll go with

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you.

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And he said no. And Jerry even got him
once as far as the door of Bellevue.

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And then he chickened out and he walked
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Couldn't handle it.

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At that time, he was very manic. He was
running around New York doing all kinds

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of crazy things.

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But there was no way to stop him. It was
almost like he had a, it sounds crazy,

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like a demon in him. He just had to get
it out.

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He was running like a wild person.

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And then all of a sudden, I mean, he was
getting thrown out of places and nobody

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wanted to talk to him.

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Not that I blame the people. I mean, he
was in such a crazy way, I wouldn't have

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wanted him out of my house at that time
because he was acting so irrationally. I

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wouldn't have wanted him around the
children.

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Came up to my place about a month before
he died.

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And he was in really, really bad shape.

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Fell out.

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And he was murdered.

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And off he went, and that was the last I
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I remember the last time I really saw
Phil, he was walking down Hudson.

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We'd gotten him out of jail that
weekend, and he had a hoe for some

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reason. He had a hoe and a spade, a
great big old long-handled spade.

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He was walking down the street, dragging
the hoe, and had the spade over his

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shoulder.

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And he was kind of disheveled. He left
his guitar with us that time. It was

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five or six months before he picked it
up. I was out of the country when he

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picked it up.

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He needed help, and he had always helped
others.

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He was hard to help.

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But the tragedy is that there wasn't
enough compassion of his kind to reach

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him when he needed it.

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And that's an indictment of...

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All of us, I guess.

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Finally, when it all blew over and he
calmed down, then that's when he came

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out to us. And at that point, it was as
though the storm was over and the calm

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had begun.

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And the calm just became too calm.

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I don't know if he was ashamed of what
he had done, because he claimed that

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he'd lost a lot of friends.

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But his friends were still around.

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The thing he kept repeating in the last
conversations was...

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that he felt that basically he always
stood for a very tasteful career. It was

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always like the only way to get results
was to do it tastefully, you know, that

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protest should never be ugly. In fact,
one of my favorite expressions of his

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was that in such an ugly time, the true
protest is beauty.

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And then he thought in the last year
that he had become a very ugly,

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despicable person. And he felt that he
had really ruined everything with that

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manic binge. And he felt that he had
done things that were the antithesis of

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what he had stood for all the years
preceding.

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But I think the main thing was that he
didn't have control over his mind. He

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was so depressed that he couldn't come
up with a decision.

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He had no opinions.

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For somebody as opinionated as Phil,
that was it.

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I was in Woodstock. I think I picked it
up in the New York Times, which is, Phil

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would have liked that.

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I was very shocked. I guess the saddest
thing, I missed the guy. I wish he were

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here now. He'd have a lot of material to
be writing about. He'd have so much fun

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writing about all the stuff going on
now.

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That's the worst part.

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I was in Montreal, I guess, in 76, when
I heard the news. So I

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wrote a song, I wrote a song about it,
because they asked me to participate in

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the benefit, the memorial.

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They were going to have to fill in New
York, and I came. I was actually there.

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I was scared out of my wits and got all
disguised up.

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Everybody recognized me, though, and
knew it was me, and paid a tribute to

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Phil.

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Now he's gone, left us here to sing a
song. What can I say?

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The battle goes on.

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I saw him there on Freedom's Trail.

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Singing songs and making bail. We walked
along through Georgia's mud.

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Shouting out a racist grunt.

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And left us here to sing a song.

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Can't remember it all, you know.

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It's all right.

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In the green fields of turning, a baby
is born.

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His cries crease the wind and mingle
with the morn.

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An assault upon the order, the changing
of the guard.

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Chosen for a challenge that is
hopelessly hard.

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But the only single sign is the sighing
of the stars.

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But to the silence of distance they are
sworn.

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Then this overflow of life is crushed
into a lie.

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The devil's soul is ripped apart and
tossed into the fire.

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A smile of rejection at the nearness of
the night.

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Truth becomes a tragedy, lifting from
the light.

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The heavens are horrified, they stagger
from the sight.

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And the cross is trembling with desire.

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They say they can't believe it. It's a
sacrilegious shame.

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Now who would want to hurt such a hero
of the game?

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But you know I predicted it. I knew he
had to fall.

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How did it happen? I hope his suffering
was small.

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Tell me every detail.

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I've got to know.

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picture of the pain.

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So dance, dance, dance, teach us to be
true.

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Come dance, dance, dance, cause we love

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you.

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And the night comes again to the circles
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explodes as the falling stars rain. The
planets are paralyzed, the mountains are

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made, but they all glow brighter from
the brilliance of the blade.

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With the speed of insanity, then he
died.

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Now, in case there are any doubts about
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I've just been informed by KPFK

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that the war is not over yet.

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So we'll sing it again.

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At the risk of being facetious to say
sing along, but we better not.

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Might look like a party meeting.

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After this song, there will be a
recruiting sergeant out there.

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For those of you that are tired of
anti-war songs, here we go again.

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I must have killed a million men and now
they want me back again.

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in song.

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Walking down an Alabama road,
remembering what the Bible told.

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Walking with a letter in his hand,
dreaming of another southern land.

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Walking down an Alabama road, and he
went by the name of William Moore.

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Now what are you doing, William Moore?

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Why the letter in your hand?

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There's only one southern land And he
went by the name of William Moore

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What price the glory of one man What
price the glory of one

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man What price the hopes What price the
dreams And what price the glory of one

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man Remembering what his grandfather

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done

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For the South in 61 A hundred years have
passed by since then Now Moore is

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fighting for the South again Remembering
what his grandfather done

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Remembering the time of World War II And
the South

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Pacific island that he knew Remembering
the young men that he killed And the

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praying that the guns of hate be still

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Remembering the time in World War II
What price the glory of one man

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What price the glory of one man What
price the hopes What

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price the dreams And what price the
glory of one man And they shot him

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on the Alabama roll Forgot about what
the Bible told They shot him

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with that letter in his hand

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he were a dog and not a man they shot
him on the Alabama road

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did you say it was a shame when he died
did you say he was a fool

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because he tried did you wonder who had
fired the gun did you know that it was

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you that fired the gun did you say it
was a shame when he died what price

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the glory of one man